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Tom Cabeen
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Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
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They all went in service, don't you know?
The joys of service are truly grand!! Or maybe...
Oh boy, here comes another story...
When I was rooming with Bill Wilkenson in the late 1960s (BTW, I would love to find him, anyone know of his whereabouts? I heard he was in Virginia somewhere, but haven't been able to locate him.), when he was still a Gilead Instructor, all the Branch Servants (this was before the days of Branch Committees or Branch Overseers) were called to Brooklyn for several months of training (their poor wives were left at home!). One of them, the BS of Sweden, I think his name was Abrahamson, came to our room with several other BS's (unfortunate initials, those). He told us a strange story. He had been talking to Knorr about declining sexual mores in Sweden.
Knorr told him that while he was in New York, where no one knew him, he should go to Times Square (at the time, it was famous for adult movies, girlie shows and the like) he should visit a few of those places so he would know what temptations the brothers were up against. He resisted strongly, to his credit. He felt that he knew as much as he needed to know about such places without visiting them. I always respected the man for his decision.
But it sure made me wonder what Knorr did when he visited Sweden and other places where he could walk the streets without being recognized.
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No, but Mary says Hi!
Better make that Chris! Ha Ha. You guys are brutal! No slack! Where did you learn this...oh never mind. I know...
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Hey Warren,
I sent an email to Christ and Norma about a year ago, but got no reply. Maybe I have an old email address.
I still have the pictures from that get together at Greg's. I think I brought my son, Matt, who was going to be a senior in high school at the time. He is now married and expecting our first grandchild, a little boy in October. I will send you a PM with my phone number. Give me a call when you get a chance.
How well I remember Carl Johnson! Give him my best regards and my phone number. I would love to hear from him also.
This thread has brought so many funny stories to my head. So many crazy things happened while I was there, and I met so many wonderful people. I worked hard, but I had fun, too, and laughed my head off so many times. I had a ball with the Pressroom guys when I was Overseer there. Guys like Randy Watters actually ran the Pressroom (in the sense of doing actual work), once we got the thing running well. After that, it was mostly my job to take the heat when the guys did something to get unfavorable notice from the Factory Committee.
I learned a lot at Bethel, too. Maybe not what I (or my family) expected I would learn, but it turned out to be very useful in the long run.
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Yup, it was Freddy Franz all right. And you are right to be disturbed by those images. :-)
I was amazed myself that Klein made it on the GB. I guess technically he met all the requirements, but his articles were ridiculous. So while Ray Franz ("anointed") and Ed Dunlap ("other sheep") were assigned (by Karl Adams, Writing Department Overseer and also "other sheep") to write study articles and study books, Karl was assigned to write articles for Awake about things like dung beetles and banana trees. Other writers told me that it used to burn him up with envy. So he played a key role in the 1980 "Franz/Dunlap" incident, thus eliminating his rivals. Finally, he got to write some "outstanding" Watchtower study articles. My favorite was his classic about "tacking into the wind." In that article, he destroyed any credibility the WTS may have had by revealing their secret: that no one at WT HQ had divine direction, nor any clue as to what they were talking about; that they were all just feeling their way along like blind mice looking for their tails. Or is it "the blind leading the blind?" That was adapted from one of his service talks. (I'll bet Karl Adams was ready to jump off the Brooklyn Bridge when that one got published.) Yes, Karl was one of a kind, a true "Watchtower man."
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For Jeff Schwehm regarding your post on page 2 of this thread:
Regarding that couple that had a Down's Syndrome child... As little respect as I had for Karl Klein, I am amazed that he told that story as an example of God punishing someone for their actions. I guess that says something about how he thought about God.
The couple in question was Colin Lake and Maggie Maes. Maggie and Colin got infatuated with each other and ran off together, at almost exactly the time that the Eagles song "Lyin' Eyes" was released, I think around 1975. I remember listening to the song and thinking about them. What they did scandalized Bethel, and that was not easy to do.
Colin was in Dispatch, and Maggie was the wife of one of my dearest friends, Fred Maes, a former Spanish Circuit and District Overseer. Colin's wife Dorothy was a good woman. (At the time, she looked very much like Dustin Hoffman as "Tootsie") She was more than an acquaintance, but not really a close friend.
Fred later left Bethel, remarried, went back into the District work for a few years, then dropped out of the org. He had a pretty good life. He was never df'd, to my knowledge. He died of cancer about ten years ago, in December, 1998, I think. I spent a few days down there with him just before he died.
I remember being so sad, both for Colin and Maggie and for their mates, Fred and Dorothy, all of whom I knew pretty well. I believe that Maggie wanted a child so badly, but the end just wouldn't come and her biological clock was ticking away... She must have been in her mid-forties when their baby was born. Dorothy was still at Bethel when we left. I wish them all peace and God's blessing.
A little side note about Karl Klein. One day I was sitting in Dan Sydlik's office. We were shooting the bull as we did almost every day. Suddenly the door burst open and Karl Klein was at the door. He was so excited, he didn't even look to see if there was anyone else there in the office. When he opened the door, I was sort of hidden behind it, because Karl didn't come right in, but stood there in the doorway, gleefully announcing his big news: "I've made it, Dan!" he said. "I'm finally at the top of the heap! I'm the Chairman of the Governing Body! Can you imagine!?!" Dan looked at him as he was speaking, then he sort of shrank a bit in his chair, then he looked at me, then back at Karl. Karl stopped in mid-sentence. He said "Oh, I didn't know anyone was here." I excused myself and left, leaving him to exult over his new job (which he only held for a year, as the chairmanship rotated). Dan and I never discussed it. I think Dan was embarrassed for Karl. But I don't think Karl was embarrassed for himself.
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Hey Warren,
Just a note about Nestor. His wife's name is Toni and their last name is spelled Kuilan. They are both living in Puerto Rico. I have been in touch with them in the past few months. Send me a PM if you want their email address.
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Hey Warren,
Glad to be in touch again!
Shortly after I came to Bethel, around 1968, I was invited to go down to the sauna on a Wednesday night once with Freddy and Nathir Saleeh (who seemed to always be around him), and a couple of other new boys. I remember Freddy pulling on the big chain connected to the steam valve to let in lots of steam, and saying "Ooooh, hoooh, ooooh, hoooh" over and over again. The place smelled of musty wood and dampness and the whole experience was a little too weird for an Arizona farm boy. Once was enough for me. I never joined them again.
Boy, there is something I hadn't thought about in nearly forty years!
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Hi Mary,
Leo and I were in the same Hall when I was first a PO in the early 1970s (he was in the Greenpoint cong, I was in Greenpoint Spanish), then later were in the same congregation (Newark French). He was always pretty quiet, and pretty funny in the rather light conversations in which we shared on the long rides from Brooklyn to Newark. I was surprised to hear later that he had to leave the GB and move south (was it New Orleans?), but that was long after I was df'd. Was that in Toronto that your parents were married by Leo? He looks so young, but I recognize the face.
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Blondie was much closer... ;-)